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May 22nd, 2003, 07:42 PM
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Interesting
I submitted an entry to Ms. Sackhoff's guestbook and it was sumarily deleted. I have since reposted.
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May 22nd, 2003, 09:10 PM
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Great Wise Guru
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So did I - 9:10 p.m. PDT. I was nice, but pulled no punches. Let's see how long it lasts!
Good job, too, Warrior, jjrakman.
I am
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May 23rd, 2003, 08:16 AM
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Comment from webmaster of Katee-Sackhoff.com
From: "Lauren S." <webmaster@katee-sackhoff.com> | This is spam | Add to Address Book
To: jjrakman@yahoo.com
Subject: Sackhoff Comments
Date: Thu, 22 May 2003 22:30:24 -0600
I'm interested to know why you're bringing your complaints about the
mini-series to me. If you'd take a few moments to read the website,
you'd
notice that it is an UNOFFICIAL site. I pay for it out of my own
pocket and
therefore feel that I have the right to remove messages as I see fit.
Now I
have no problem with people having their own opinions- I had absolutely
no
intention of removing jjrackman's last message. But enough is enough.
I have been nothing but kind and just don't feel that I deserve this
treatment. And frankly, I'm not interested in picking apart every
single
word of every single sentence that was said in an interview.
Feel free to be unhappy about the series not being continued the way
that
you want, but please don't take it out on me.
Lauren
www.katee-sackhoff.com
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May 23rd, 2003, 08:24 AM
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Great Wise Guru
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And did you respond?
Edit: Looks like she may have shut down the guestbook....
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May 23rd, 2003, 08:31 AM
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Not yet. Still considering what to write. Any sugestions? I wonder if I should bother, it is only a fan site after all. I don't know that she actually has any contact with the girl.
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May 23rd, 2003, 08:45 AM
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Great Wise Guru
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Suggestion #1 - ask her that. Does she have any actual contact with Katee?
Also, it would probably be a good move to reassure her that we aren't bringing the fight against the Abomination to her site. We were concerned about Katee's comments because they seemed to display a complete lack of knowledge about the original character. And, if she does have contact with Katee, she could perform a very valuable service by passing our concerns along. After all, Katee has the makings of being a fine actress, and we'd hate to see her credibility damaged.
Did you know that it was Katee who played Richard Dreyfuss' rebellious daughter in "the Education of Max Bickford" on CBS a couple of years ago? I hadn't realized it - she did a fair job in that.
Hope this helps.
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May 23rd, 2003, 03:17 PM
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Bad Email Address
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Now we're attacking the actors and actresses, above and beyond Ron Moore? Come on guys, when is enough, enough?
I'm against this abomination too, but sheesh. Somehow this seems a little overboard.
Rommie
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May 23rd, 2003, 03:27 PM
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Great Wise Guru
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No, we weren't attacking her, Rommie. We took advantage of a potential contact with someone who is talking publically about it.
I mean, we already have one star warning fans away.
I think we took it as far as we intended to, anyway, before the nice lady webmaster had a minor meltdown. No attack was intended, at least from me; consider it education, not confrontation.
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May 23rd, 2003, 03:44 PM
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I understand your concerns Rommie. But as far as I can tell we are in a war. And quite frankly if your not part of the solution, you become part of the problem. Just my opinion, but I've taken sides. I think Morpheus had a really good quote about just this sort of thing in the original Matrix? Anyone remember that quote?
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May 24th, 2003, 12:39 AM
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Bad Email Address
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Hey, it's all good. I hope you're able to get a hold of her personally, and not have to worry about a middle-man.
Rommie
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May 24th, 2003, 01:31 AM
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AMEN JJ
...this chick is in tight with Sackoff when it comes time to be a big wheel over on the MooreFan bboard, but when it comes time to take the heat when Miss Vapid starts spewing her mindless drivel, "Oh, don't tell me about it, this is an unofficial board"
What a load...
Flame that nitwit and be done with it...
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May 24th, 2003, 12:35 PM
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I claim to be 'tight' with her? Are you kidding me? I've posted about 3 times over at galactica2003.net-- all saying that I have not been in any contact with her since the mini-series started filming.
Give me a break.
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May 24th, 2003, 12:43 PM
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Here's the deal...
I've probably gotten a little defensive about messages that people have left me after I got one berating me for the 'rape' of the series. The e-mail I got was specifically meant for me and about a page long. I just don't need that and I have absolutely nothing to do with this mini-series.
I completely understand you guys having your own opinions and stating them. I just *really* don't want to have to be thrown into the argument.
All of your comments are still in my guestbook. They have *not* been deleted. I just took it down after receiving messages directed towards me (not by any of you).
But as I previously stated, I haven't had any contact with Katee since the mini-series started shooting, as I had expected. I have never stated otherwise... Check out the boards that I've posted on, I've flat out said that.
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May 24th, 2003, 12:46 PM
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A Break?
https://www.subspacebbs.com/forums/me...fo&userid=1977
Lauren, It seems you're getting the same break that we're getting.
" I completely understand you guys having your own opinions and stating them. I just *really* don't want to have to be thrown into the argument."
I understand that getting lots of support e-mail from one guy pretending to be a slew of people, then being made Mod for a board populated by this guy's clones, is a tough thing to deal with. But taking Mod status for a Pro-ReImagining Board, means you ARE in the argument.
However, that being said, since the website you run is kateesackoff.com, I fail to understand why you're so surprised that outrage about her comments would come to your website, and not, let's say Disney.com. I mean really, how stupid can people be, when someone makes a slew of really dense statements, why on heavens earth would they bother to send their comments to a site that bears her name?
If you're so out of touch with Katee, maybe you should simply forward the comments recieved to Katee, instead of acting like it's you being assaulted.
I'm sorry if this sounds harsh Lauren, but come on, you can't claim that you completely unaware of the tensions over this entire topic.
Is it right for people to blame You for Katee statements, or the direction of her character? No, not in the least.
However, whether you like it or not, as webmaster of the kateesackoff.com site, as well as a Mod for the pro-Moore Reimaging site, you might be better off not acting so surprised and bewildered by anger that comes in your direction.
Again, forward the responses straight to katee, or her Agent, and make it clear on your page that is where the stuff is being sent...
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May 24th, 2003, 01:04 PM
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I understand where you guys are coming from. -- I just was upset about getting some messages directed to me like I'm in charge of production of this thing and am the one responsible. (Again, not from you).
From the start of this whole thing, I was approached simply to donate photos and a bio. That's all that I signed on for but it soon escalated to getting hate messages.
I do apologize for being short with you guys... And I realize that your messages really had nothing to do with me... I really did appreciate that second message from Warrior. The guestbook will be going back up but I'm having huge problems with server right now and can't even log in.
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May 24th, 2003, 01:20 PM
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I am completely aware of the tensions over the re-imagining (or whatever you want to call it). -- But just for the record, I know absolutely nothing about Battlestar Galactica. I've seen about one episode in my entire life. Which is why I've tried to stay out of the arguments.
I just got fed up with complaints that were directed toward me and did have a bit of a melt down.
I understand people asking me to forward comments to Katee. But if you can understand where I'm coming from, I don't want to forward hate mail onto someone. But the recent messages that I have gotten from what appear to be members of the board have been well thought out and for the most part kindly stated.
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May 24th, 2003, 01:27 PM
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Warrior
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Lauren
Early in my youth, I had thought about becoming a Deaf Interpreter. you know, you see those Folks doing sign language when someone is doing a speech.
Sometimes that job takes you to big venues, or small, one on one converstations, such as court rooms, or corporate board rooms.
Part of that job is conveying everything, good, bad, and ugly to the person you're interpretting for, verbatim.
It's not You saying it, and the speaking/hearing person isn't addressing it to you, it's just your job to see to it that all the information is passed on as clearly and completely as possible.
I have a feeling this falls into that same sort of category.
Yes, the hate mail might be ugly, but doesn't katee deserve to know what people are saying?
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May 24th, 2003, 01:34 PM
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Shuttle Pilot
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I definitely understand what you're saying.
I was just caught off guard when that interview came out and felt unsure about what to do with messages that I was receiving.
Oh, and just as an added note, I made the big deal about my site being unofficial because I found that it was being mis-represented somewhere and I just wanted to make sure that it was clear to everyone that I am not anyone's official webmaster.
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May 24th, 2003, 01:37 PM
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Warrior
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No worries Lauren
...If the place that's misrepresenting you and the site is what I think it is, then be assured, there's a lot of misrepresenting going on there....
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May 24th, 2003, 01:40 PM
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Yeah, this whole thing has just not been what I expected it to be...
Thanks again for your comments.
But really, though. From now on, could everyone please send your comments to Disney.com? (Kidding, of course).
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May 24th, 2003, 01:52 PM
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Warrior
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Lauren
...That I can understand.
It's one thing to do a website when the subject isn't controversial, or doesn't start out controversial.
It's a fairly simple endeavor.
However, once it sets foot beyond the line of controversy, watch out, life just got more difficult.
This battle for Galactica has been going on for 25 LONG years, and most of us (read nearly all) have been fighting for a faithful return of Galactica, via a Continuation. For many of us, the idea of Starbuck being changed into a woman was the same as changing the Mona Lisa into a Guy in a Wig.
Then add to that the recent Clone Invasion, which you ended up getting pulled into. I don't know if you realize it, but that whole group, from Milton James, on down, was nothing more than a fiction perpetrated by 2 guys, who work for the company distributing the Video Game.
I really, Honestly suggest, if you have a way to directly contact Katee, you might be advised to use it, and get her to re-examine her statements. As it is, accepting her as Starbuck is nearly impossible for 99% of the existing Galactica fanbase. Add her comments about it into the mix, and that number get's higher, and more solidly against her. Those comments have pretty much turned her into the Tanya Harding of Galactica...
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May 24th, 2003, 02:12 PM
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I definitely didn't even realize that there was controversy around the new mini-series until after agreeing to donate information and pictures... Then after visiting forums, it definitely became apparent.
And I will totally admit that I am really out of the loop on this stuff (as I said, I don't know much about Battlestar Galactica).
Then add to that the recent Clone Invasion, which you ended up getting pulled into. I don't know if you realize it, but that whole group, from Milton James, on down, was nothing more than a fiction perpetrated by 2 guys, who work for the company distributing the Video Game.
This I know absolutely nothing about. I did see a few references to something like that while checking up on forums just the other day, but had (and have) no idea what's gone on... I'll admit that being made a moderator for the Katee Sackhoff section of the forum over at the website, I really have not done the best job of keeping up with all of the posts... And have apparently not been filled in on this, which sounds like something I should probably know.
I definitely understand about trying to send concerns to Katee through me. I admittedly was in a panic about what to do. (As I'm sure that some of you could tell). I do have a way or two to get in contact with her, so I'll try my best. -- Assuming that my website service will actually be back up sometime this century...
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May 24th, 2003, 02:20 PM
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Lauren
"I do have a way or two to get in contact with her, so I'll try my best"
Lauren, that's ALL anyone can ask of you.
It really isn't you they are angry at. It's the whole mess revolving around the mini, and the way it has been handled.
Seriously, there are a lot of folks here, far more diplomatic than I could ever hope to be, who would be happy to bring you up to speed on this stuff. Might I suggest Jewels or Micheleh, 2 of the nicest Ladies you'll ever meet, and they both have their fingers on the pulse of what all is going on, both in the Galactica Fanbase, and they have a fairly even keel about the recent "history" events that you have gotten deluged with.
Unlike some of us Warriors, who charge in boldly where Angels fear to tread, Jewels and Micheleh do hold the corner on the diplomatic side of things.
Now, if you want a good History Lesson on the Battle for Galactica, warts and all, feel free to ask away...
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May 24th, 2003, 02:27 PM
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I definitely feel much better about the whole situation after talking over it and will most definitely try to pass your comments on.
I understand where everyone is coming from about the mini and how fans of the series must feel... I just started feeling like I was getting pulled into the mess after a few of the e-mails that I received.
As for this 'recent history of events', I would love to be brought up to speed on it... I can't believe that I missed something like that...
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May 24th, 2003, 03:14 PM
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Well, I can give you my take on it
Around December, we had a guy with the handle "Moore_Man" show up singing the praises of all things Ron Moore, and declaring he would do anything to "win at any cost" regarding Moore and the Re-Imagining.
He identified himself as Milton James.
It wasn't long before not only Milton (aka Milty) was followed by no less that 30-50 devout followers of Ron Moore, all declaring the Script for the Mini no less than a Holy Document, and an example of perfection.
They all seemed as equally rabid in their support of the mini, and their distain for the Original Series (the TOS).
Soon, the website, now known as galactica2003.net was formed, under the supposed hand of Captain Milton James, and populated by these fellow followers of Milton and Moore.
However, behind the scenes, these supposed "fans" were doing everything they could to discredit any and all who stood opposed to Moore and the Mini, including accusing some of us of waging Cyber Terrorist attacks on them, and threatening to contact the FBI.
Well, it wasn't long after that, one of those accused of Cyber Terrorism decided enough was enough, and he began investigating Milton and the Milton Army.
It turned out that instead of 30-50 in number, it turned out to be just 2. Ted (aka Apothis) and Vince (aka SciFiman76). They had spent a great deal of effort to create an entire array of clone handles, all meant to give the appearence of a mass following for the Mini, and for Moore himself.
Their tactics included forged letters of support sent to the Studios, enlisting support from people like you, and in some cases, posing as young girls to try and sway Male members of the Opposition. (For that alone, Ted had best keep a low profile).
That's pretty much it in a nutshell.
Why did they do it? That is the big question. Some say $$$ from the Production Staff (read: Ron Moore himself). Other's say because the two guys have issues regarding Ron Moore (I won't even get into that icky concept). Still others are leaning toward the idea that since they both work for the company distributing the Video Game, that they are trying to generate a sales base, so they can profit from it.
Whatever their reasons, it has turned into a huge mess, which neither of them will even comment on.
Even now, they continue trying to infiltrate other sites and other forums, trying to fein innocence, and re-start their efforts.
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May 24th, 2003, 03:15 PM
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Hi, Lauren! Welcome to the fleets!
You've come to the right place to find out about what is going on with this in a mature atmosphere. I understand how it must be confusing for you to volunteer to do a job, and realize the simple looking little package has a smoking fuse on it!
I'll be glad to help you get up to speed- we all will. This is a fun place to hang out, too. Just watch out for the beavers!
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May 24th, 2003, 04:28 PM
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Great Wise Guru
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Well, I'll be. She IS a nice lady webmaster!!!!
Welcome, Lauren.
I am
Dawg
PS - be especially wary if the beavers are dragging empty ambrosia bottles around.....
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May 24th, 2003, 05:36 PM
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LordStarFyre's Take...
I don't even know what to say about that whole Milton James thing... Except for: How could I have missed that???
I think that it's time that I really start following things a little bit better. That whole thing is just insane... and I feel stupid.
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May 24th, 2003, 05:38 PM
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Don't feel stupid Lauren
...Think of how the guys who got "Love Letters" from Ted feel...
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