My Problem With "Tigh"?

[Count Iblis]

Not trying to poke holes in all of the new mini characters but after reviewing this new "Tigh" character, I have to say I saw some real problems with the role.

You know...I read all the time from many Sci-Fi fans that they want "More Realistic" characters and more "Real Life" scenarios. Hey, an alcohol addiction is OK, and on the surface looks "Realistic"/"Real Life" doesn't it? Well, Let's break this idea down.

As a former "Navy" man (Experience) I can honestly say that on occasion, we do see substance abuse, or it's discovered on board that someone is a user. However, it's delt with imediately because people's lives are at stake. This character is the "Executive Officer" for crying outloud. He's supposed to not only be setting the "Highest" standards and example for the crew, he's also supposed to be able to perform all of his duties at "Peak Performance" levels at all times.

Now...I don't want or expect BSG to become a "Kiddie" show, but I have to draw a line somewhere. I don't want young people watching this to think that problems like alcohol or drug addiction are viewed as "Exceptable/Understandable/Ignored/ in the Military or any other "Career" they may choose to enter. If we indeed want more "Realism" in our Sci-Fi this character needs to be delt with in one of two ways. Either he deals with and Overcomes his addiction (Which could make for some interesting scenarios) or perhaps a strorline is written where his lack of dealing with it puts the "Galactica" in peril and more jeopardy, while possible costing the lives of some on board as well as his own. That would be "Realistic".

[Boomer65]

As a former "Navy" man (Experience) I can honestly say that on occasion, we do see substance abuse, or it's discovered on board that someone is a user. However, it's delt with imediately because people's lives are at stake. This character is the "Executive Officer" for crying outloud. He's supposed to not only be setting the "Highest" standards and example for the crew, he's also supposed to be able to perform all of his duties at "Peak Performance" levels at all times.

I think you have to remember something here – the upper echelon is a very tightly nit group. It’s similar to doctors, university instructors, et al not informing on each other. Look at the U.S. president carrying on with his intern for crying out loud – do you think that no one knew about that!?!? Realistically, the higher up you go the more you can get away with (I’m a former Navy man myself).

Adama knew of Tigh’s problem. But they are at the end of their careers on a soon to be decommissioned ship. What’s the point of destroying another man’s career? But as soon as it becomes an issue with his performance you can bet that Adama will come down…hard.

Either he deals with and Overcomes his addiction (Which could make for some interesting scenarios) or perhaps a strorline is written where his lack of dealing with it puts the "Galactica" in peril and more jeopardy, while possible costing the lives of some on board as well as his own. That would be "Realistic".

Why else do you think RDM put this weakness into the character?

Originally Posted by Boomer65

I think you have to remember something here – the upper echelon is a very tightly nit group. It’s similar to doctors, university instructors, et al not informing on each other. Look at the U.S. president carrying on with his intern for crying out loud – do you think that no one knew about that!?!? Realistically, the higher up you go the more you can get away with (I’m a former Navy man myself).

Adama knew of Tigh’s problem. But they are at the end of their careers on a soon to be decommissioned ship. What’s the point of destroying another man’s career? But as soon as it becomes an issue with his performance you can bet that Adama will come down…hard.


Why else do you think RDM put this weakness into the character?

I think we also need to remember that Adama isn't above using his rank to keep things... in perspective. Remember how he talked Tigh out of pressing charges against Kara? I think he's a man who looks at the intent of the regs, rather than the letter, and that will be important.

Tigh honestly didn't do anything wrong IN THE MINI... he was drunk- off duty - and Adama called him on it. I can see that slipping past, especially as they're in the process of decommissioning. He had a hangover at the beginning - Gaeta rolled his eyes - but again, hangovers aren't against regs so long as you can perform your duties (and tigh wasn't on duty - that was right before the card game). I won't get into Tigh playing cards with the pilots, because they are ALL officers - junior or senior is irrelevant - officers are officers, and they are allowed to interact OFF DUTY. They usually don't, so they can't be questioned, but in the limited facilities of a battlestar it's reasonable.

Tigh was sober the entire length of the Mini - right up until the end. And frankly, with their world destroyed and after the slamming Kara had just given him... I'd have probably taken a drink myself!

Alcoholism isn't against military regs unless it affects duty performance or is done while driving (or you hurt someone while intoxicated). Sailors have been drinking since the beginning of time... Pilots, too. Yes, it's a character flaw, but I don't think it's too far fetched. It's also a self-solving problem... not much alcohol will be available after the war starts (at least I don't think so).

COL Tigh in the mini is based on Commander Eddington in the movie "In Harm's Way". Some deleted scenes even further this understanding of Tigh. Both Tigh and Commander Eddington were probably good officers until they began to have issues with their philandering wives. This point is clear in "In Harm's Way" but only alluded to in the burning picture scene in the mini. Adama and Tigh appear to be friends (as were Tory and Eddington in "In Harm's Way). As such Adama is covering for a friend he thinks is going through some temporary problems late in his career.

I would like to see COL Tigh in Moore's universe loose his alcoholism in the series or die in a blaze of glory to avoid his demons like Eddington in "In Harm's Way". I think an alcoholic Tigh can only go on for a limited time in the series. He will either be rehabilitated or killed before season 1 ends (my prediction).

[Gemini1999]

Originally Posted by CrysWimmer

I think we also need to remember that Adama isn't above using his rank to keep things... in perspective. Remember how he talked Tigh out of pressing charges against Kara? I think he's a man who looks at the intent of the regs, rather than the letter, and that will be important.

Tigh honestly didn't do anything wrong IN THE MINI... he was drunk- off duty - and Adama called him on it. I can see that slipping past, especially as they're in the process of decommissioning. He had a hangover at the beginning - Gaeta rolled his eyes - but again, hangovers aren't against regs so long as you can perform your duties (and tigh wasn't on duty - that was right before the card game). I won't get into Tigh playing cards with the pilots, because they are ALL officers - junior or senior is irrelevant - officers are officers, and they are allowed to interact OFF DUTY. They usually don't, so they can't be questioned, but in the limited facilities of a battlestar it's reasonable.

Tigh was sober the entire length of the Mini - right up until the end. And frankly, with their world destroyed and after the slamming Kara had just given him... I'd have probably taken a drink myself!

Alcoholism isn't against military regs unless it affects duty performance or is done while driving (or you hurt someone while intoxicated). Sailors have been drinking since the beginning of time... Pilots, too. Yes, it's a character flaw, but I don't think it's too far fetched. It's also a self-solving problem... not much alcohol will be available after the war starts (at least I don't think so).

Cryswimmer -

There are some things you should know about the military life (if you don't already). Even though someone may be "off duty", that really means you are just not at your assigned job for the shift you are assigned. Anything you do when you are off duty, still reflects on you, the uniform you wear and the branch of the military you serve. If you get drunk and/or get into a fight, even though it is when off duty, it can be called to bear against your career and your rank. It isn't like civilian life where if you got drunk and hit a co-worker after work - you are in the military 24 hours a day, 7 days a week. All of your conduct reflects on you and is considered accountable. There are regulations against hitting another officer - it doesn't specify as to where or when, it is just that simple. There is no "between" the lines with regulations - you are either following them or not. If you're not, then that person must be willing to accept the consequences of those actions and be held accountable to to them. The fact that Kara and Tigh are officers means that their conduct is especially important. Officers are supposed to set an example for the ranks below them, not carry on like a street gang. If they can't do that, then they aren't fit to wear the uniform.

It's been a while since I was in the military and I was only in for 5 years, but I know that the regulations regarding conduct haven't changed, even though society's standards and morals have...

Best,
Bryan
________
Boiling food

[shiningstar]

Originally Posted by Count Iblis

Not trying to poke holes in all of the new mini characters but after reviewing this new "Tigh" character, I have to say I saw some real problems with the role.

You know...I read all the time from many Sci-Fi fans that they want "More Realistic" characters and more "Real Life" scenarios. Hey, an alcohol addiction is OK, and on the surface looks "Realistic"/"Real Life" doesn't it? Well, Let's break this idea down.

As a former "Navy" man (Experience) I can honestly say that on occasion, we do see substance abuse, or it's discovered on board that someone is a user. However, it's delt with imediately because people's lives are at stake. This character is the "Executive Officer" for crying outloud. He's supposed to not only be setting the "Highest" standards and example for the crew, he's also supposed to be able to perform all of his duties at "Peak Performance" levels at all times.

Now...I don't want or expect BSG to become a "Kiddie" show, but I have to draw a line somewhere. I don't want young people watching this to think that problems like alcohol or drug addiction are viewed as "Exceptable/Understandable/Ignored/ in the Military or any other "Career" they may choose to enter. If we indeed want more "Realism" in our Sci-Fi this character needs to be delt with in one of two ways. Either he deals with and Overcomes his addiction (Which could make for some interesting scenarios) or perhaps a strorline is written where his lack of dealing with it puts the "Galactica" in peril and more jeopardy, while possible costing the lives of some on board as well as his own. That would be "Realistic".

Count Iblis as a veteran of the military I see your point. Well written.

[shiningstar]

Originally Posted by Gemini1999

Cryswimmer -

There are some things you should know about the military life (if you don't already). Even though someone may be "off duty", that really means you are just not at your assigned job for the shift you are assigned. Anything you do when you are off duty, still reflects on you, the uniform you wear and the branch of the military you serve. If you get drunk and/or get into a fight, even though it is when off duty, it can be called to bear against your career and your rank. It isn't like civilian life where if you got drunk and hit a co-worker after work - you are in the military 24 hours a day, 7 days a week. All of your conduct reflects on you and is considered accountable. There are regulations against hitting another officer - it doesn't specify as to where or when, it is just that simple. There is no "between" the lines with regulations - you are either following them or not. If you're not, then that person must be willing to accept the consequences of those actions and be held accountable to to them. The fact that Kara and Tigh are officers means that their conduct is especially important. Officers are supposed to set an example for the ranks below them, not carry on like a street gang. If they can't do that, then they aren't fit to wear the uniform.

It's been a while since I was in the military and I was only in for 5 years, but I know that the regulations regarding conduct haven't changed, even though society's standards and morals have...

Best,
Bryan

Well written Bryan. After all I know people who were dishonorably discharged
because they couldn't 'beat' the alcoholism. According to one of my C.O.'s
"If you're going to fly with owls at night ..........you best be able to fly WITH
the eagles in the morning."

He did not put up with alcholism and took a dim view to substance abuse
in general. At one point we were subject to 'surprise' drug tests. That
means there was no warning whatsoever of 'when' those tests would
take place.

Originally Posted by Gemini1999

Cryswimmer -

There are some things you should know about the military life (if you don't already). Even though someone may be "off duty", that really means you are just not at your assigned job for the shift you are assigned. Anything you do when you are off duty, still reflects on you, the uniform you wear and the branch of the military you serve. If you get drunk and/or get into a fight, even though it is when off duty, it can be called to bear against your career and your rank. It isn't like civilian life where if you got drunk and hit a co-worker after work - you are in the military 24 hours a day, 7 days a week. All of your conduct reflects on you and is considered accountable. There are regulations against hitting another officer - it doesn't specify as to where or when, it is just that simple. There is no "between" the lines with regulations - you are either following them or not. If you're not, then that person must be willing to accept the consequences of those actions and be held accountable to to them. The fact that Kara and Tigh are officers means that their conduct is especially important. Officers are supposed to set an example for the ranks below them, not carry on like a street gang. If they can't do that, then they aren't fit to wear the uniform.

It's been a while since I was in the military and I was only in for 5 years, but I know that the regulations regarding conduct haven't changed, even though society's standards and morals have...

Best,
Bryan

Bryan - I agree with you that you are on duty 24/7 - as for understanding the military, my father and brother are both retired navy, I served 6 years in the Air Force, and I've been married to an NCO for 16 years... so... I know very well that you are "never" off duty. In addition, my husband is hospital personnel, so he's expected to be ready to go to the OR at all times.

HOWEVER - you know very well that officers don't always set the example - they are only as good as the men who carry the commissions. Some are incredible, and some are scum. Sad, but true - just like in any other job. And unless you do something to get CAUGHT drinking - get into a fight, show up to work drunk, come through the gate and get caught - you get the picture, unless you're CAUGHT they don't say anything. Don't ask, don't tell. I know dozens of men - officers and enlisted alike - that are alcoholics. Few of them are ever "drunk", if you know what I mean. That is not against regulation. It's not.

You're right - either Tigh or Kara would be up on charges for "conduct unbecoming an officer" in the real world... but this is fiction, so we really don't know what the parameters are. I agree 100% that their conduct should be above reproach at all times... but while we're at it, Tyrol should be in the brig for mouthing off to the Commander - you think? Disrespect to an officer, and he's just an enlisted man? Sharon and Tyrol kissing in a corridor? Definitely brig material - fraternization, big-time. Kara also essentially deified orders to bring in Lee's ship - she had as much a chance of crashing as succeeding, but no one mentioned that because it worked. It could have got them both killed, but she's lucky. And we can also get into all those civilians running about CIC... not likely. So, let's remember this is fiction while we analyze it.

For the record, I never drank when I was enlisted... mostly because I was underage. Also my nephew just after boot camp was involved in an unfortunate accident involving liquor, group quarters, and a gun. I really miss him. Alcohol and ANYONE doesn't mix. That's IMO, anyway. Waste of money and time.

Be that as it may military regulation continues to be interpreted by squadron and flight commanders, and enforced sporatically. I read the blotter every week - article 15s for everything from showing up to work in a wrinkled uniform to DUI - oh yeah, those are comparable <g>. Enforcement of the rules is only as good as the officers doing it, and you know as well as I do that the rules don't apply equally to everyone. they should... but they don't. If you are drunk off duty - and you don't do anything to get into trouble - you aren't going to be punished. That's just fact. Sadly, drinking is a military tradition. What do you think O-clubs and Enlisted clubs are for?

[shiningstar]

Originally Posted by CrysWimmer

Bryan - I agree with you that you are on duty 24/7 - as for understanding the military, my father and brother are both retired navy, I served 6 years in the Air Force, and I've been married to an NCO for 16 years... so... I know very well that you are "never" off duty. In addition, my husband is hospital personnel, so he's expected to be ready to go to the OR at all times.

HOWEVER - you know very well that officers don't always set the example - they are only as good as the men who carry the commissions. Some are incredible, and some are scum. Sad, but true - just like in any other job. And unless you do something to get CAUGHT drinking - get into a fight, show up to work drunk, come through the gate and get caught - you get the picture, unless you're CAUGHT they don't say anything. Don't ask, don't tell. I know dozens of men - officers and enlisted alike - that are alcoholics. Few of them are ever "drunk", if you know what I mean. That is not against regulation. It's not.

You're right - either Tigh or Kara would be up on charges for "conduct unbecoming an officer" in the real world... but this is fiction, so we really don't know what the parameters are. I agree 100% that their conduct should be above reproach at all times... but while we're at it, Tyrol should be in the brig for mouthing off to the Commander - you think? Disrespect to an officer, and he's just an enlisted man? Sharon and Tyrol kissing in a corridor? Definitely brig material - fraternization, big-time. Kara also essentially deified orders to bring in Lee's ship - she had as much a chance of crashing as succeeding, but no one mentioned that because it worked. It could have got them both killed, but she's lucky. And we can also get into all those civilians running about CIC... not likely. So, let's remember this is fiction while we analyze it.

For the record, I never drank when I was enlisted... mostly because I was underage. Also my nephew just after boot camp was involved in an unfortunate accident involving liquor, group quarters, and a gun. I really miss him. Alcohol and ANYONE doesn't mix. That's IMO, anyway. Waste of money and time.

Be that as it may military regulation continues to be interpreted by squadron and flight commanders, and enforced sporatically. I read the blotter every week - article 15s for everything from showing up to work in a wrinkled uniform to DUI - oh yeah, those are comparable <g>. Enforcement of the rules is only as good as the officers doing it, and you know as well as I do that the rules don't apply equally to everyone. they should... but they don't. If you are drunk off duty - and you don't do anything to get into trouble - you aren't going to be punished. That's just fact. Sadly, drinking is a military tradition. What do you think O-clubs and Enlisted clubs are for?

Although you and I don't always see eye to eye on things I did want to
applaud you on your service in the military

[Rowan]

I'm curious why do we think Tigh is an alcoholic? We see him drinking and Kara calls him a drunk but is that what we are going on? She could have called him that out of spite , or just to piss him off. Is it not possible he's just drinking because of the crap he's going through with his wife, but that it's a temporary thing? "I feel sorry for myself" thing and not an actual problem with self control and drinking? Just wondering

Originally Posted by shiningstar

Although you and I don't always see eye to eye on things I did want to
applaud you on your service in the military

We don't have to agree... that's part of what the military fights for... freedom to have an opinion <g> and voice it... politely.

Truthfully, I absolutely agree with what you said... you told us how it should be, and how it often is. Unfortunately I've often seen what should be... twisted. It's easy to become jaded, and I apologize if that came across as flip.

As for time in the military, it wasn't a trial. I was a medical technician, met and married my husband, and managed to save up enough money for college. I still believe the military is a wonderful thing, and I will encourage my son to enlist when he graduates - it's important to learn to follow orders, develop discipline, and be responsible for yourself. The military will teach you that... whether you like it or not.

Originally Posted by Gaelen

I'm curious why do we think Tigh is an alcoholic? We see him drinking and Kara calls him a drunk but is that what we are going on? She could have called him that out of spite , or just to piss him off. Is it not possible he's just drinking because of the crap he's going through with his wife, but that it's a temporary thing? "I feel sorry for myself" thing and not an actual problem with self control and drinking? Just wondering

First, it was stated in the script. Also, we see him hung over in his first scene (leaning against the bulkhead, gaeta rolls his eyes at him), drunk in the card game (I didn't turn over the table... unless I did), and at the end he throws away a bottle of liquor (full) only to sit and have it half empty the next time he's shown. The clues are definitely there.

[Rowan]

Ok but forget the script for a second maybe they changed their mind about him being an alcoholic and just decided maybe it's a temporary situation. After all Starbuck is nice to Tigh in the script even goes to tell him she thought he made the right decision about the 40 second thing and that she thought Tyrol was full of felgercarb. We also see Kara drinking at the card table possibly she was drunk as well and that would explain her lack of self control. I know we see these scenes and he's definitely drinking but that doesn't make him an alcoholic. Everyone I know has had too much to drink at some point in ther lives and or been hung over at work. If those are the criteria then just about everyone I've ever met is one. And I realise there are scenes that suggest he might be an alcoholic I'm just saying, there is room to reserve judgement.

Out of curiosity and to refresh my memory I looked up the info on alcoholism and thought I 'd post it for the interested

There are 4 criteria for alcoholism"

Craving: A strong need, or compulsion, to drink

Impaired control: The inability to limit one’s drinking on any given occasion

Physical dependence: Withdrawal symptoms, such as nausea, sweating, shakiness. And anxiety, when alcohol use is stopped after a period of heavy drinking

Tolerance: The need for increasing amounts of alcohol in order to feel its effects.



“Alcoholism has little to do with what kind of alcohol one drinks, how long one has been drinking, or even exactly how much alcohol one consumes, But it has a great deal to do with a person’s uncontrollable need for alcohol.”

“Even if you are not an alcoholic, abusing alcohol can have negative results’ such as failure to meet major work, school, or family responsibilities.”
I'm just not convinced yet that Tigh's behaviour fulfills these criteria

[shiningstar]

Originally Posted by Gaelen

I'm curious why do we think Tigh is an alcoholic? We see him drinking and Kara calls him a drunk but is that what we are going on? She could have called him that out of spite , or just to piss him off. Is it not possible he's just drinking because of the crap he's going through with his wife, but that it's a temporary thing? "I feel sorry for myself" thing and not an actual problem with self control and drinking? Just wondering

It was written into the script. According to the script I read .........he was
an alcoholic .........he thinks his wife is cheating on him ...........and the people
he serves under don't really like him. As for the criteria ...........the clues may
have been there .............but it was more suggested then stated in the mini.

So you never know how that may change in the mini series.

[Boomer65]

Originally Posted by Gaelen

Ok but forget the script for a second maybe they changed their mind about him being an alcoholic and just decided maybe it's a temporary situation.

There was one scene where Adama makes the remark, “Starting kind of early aren’t you…? That, along with all the other indicators, led me to believe that he is more than just a social drinker.

I just prefer to wait and see what kind of story arc is in place for Tigh. I really wouldn't be surprised to see this alcoholism thing dealt with by the end of season one.

Originally Posted by BarrymoreYorke

I just prefer to wait and see what kind of story arc is in place for Tigh. I really wouldn't be surprised to see this alcoholism thing dealt with by the end of season one.

I agree with this - and also, another more difficult issue than the alcoholism (or whatever) will be gaining the respect of those he commands. Tyrol can't stand him, and I'm sure many of the deck hands feel the same way (no, I don't think he could have done any better, but grief isn't rational). Then there's the open lack of respect he got from Gaeta - who seems to be a pretty straight forward officer. I think the story won't be about his drinking, but recovering from his reputation.

[shiningstar]

Originally Posted by Boomer65

There was one scene where Adama makes the remark, “Starting kind of early aren’t you…? That, along with all the other indicators, led me to believe that he is more than just a social drinker.

Thanks for pointing that line out for me Boomer ...........I read that line
in the script; and wouldn't you know it just blew straight OVER my head

[unowhoandwhy]

Very good points, Crys, there was a lot of "behind-the-scenes" alcoholism when I was in the Army and as long as it didn't affect performance on duty it was kept quiet.

Originally Posted by CrysWimmer

... ... It's also a self-solving problem... not much alcohol will be available after the war starts (at least I don't think so).

That's the only thing I can't agree with. As long as there are humans and things that ferment there will always be alcohol, in whatever form.

When I was in the Gulf War it was good to see a few soldiers with alcohol problems in garrison turn themselves around once alcohol was unavailable. It was also interesting to learn about a couple alcoholics who nearly killed themselves in their attempts to get alcohol! Some alcoholics will drink just about anything!

[unowhoandwhy]

Originally Posted by antelope526

Some alcoholics will drink just about anything!

When I was stationed in Panama I checked the gate officers at one of the gates one night (I was the mobile unit) and they had a two quart canteen with them. Kept trying to get me to "drink some water" but fortunately I knew those two quite well and declined.Turned out that it was Everclear mixed with Purplesaurus Rex Kool-Aid. GAG on both counts, thank you very much.

I know that gate duty on midnights is godawful boring, especially after curfew, but that was really sad. One of the two ended up getting a dishonorable discharge (for many reasons, the primary reason being that he was an unapologetic racist and refused to apologize for some extremely ignorant remarks he made on an open radio frequency).

No idea what happened to the other, but you're right, alcoholics will drink what they can and when they can. Don't get me wrong, I was known to raise a glass or two, still am, but there is no NEED involved in that. If it is a social occasion and some fine liquor is being served then send one my way, but Tigh has some issues and it will be interesting to see how they resolve them. (See how I finally made it back on topic? I don't manage to do that very often!)

[Boomer65]

Originally Posted by unowhoandwhy

Turned out that it was Everclear mixed with Purplesaurus Rex Kool-Aid. GAG on both counts, thank you very much.

Some guy on my ship (US Navy) told me he fermented Kool-Aid while we were out on a cruise. He "said" it was an accident. I don't know if anyone had the guts to try it though.

A medic from the medical company in the forward support battalion my platoon was colacted with before the ground war (Persian Gulf War) ODed on cough medicine he had access to. He had to be medevaced to a field hospital. Never saw him again although I heard he did survive. I was told by some members of his unit that he was an alcoholic back in Germany before they deployed.

I wonder if just like in TOS the ambrosia taps will still be flowing regardless of the situation. Maybe they can have an episode where Tigh is going through the shakes and sneaks into the engine room to get high off solium vapors!

How about a drunk Tigh stumbling upon an obviously cylon Boomer up to no good. Boomer kicks him around and the next day when Tigh wakes he thinks the whole episode was a drunken fantasy.

How about a drunk Tigh stumbling down to Kara Thrace's quarters. She pretends to seduce him and feeds him more booze. Once he is incoherrant she strips him naked, glues a fake 3 foot long tail on his ass and puts a pair of mittens on his hands and then drags his naked body into the hall. She then calls Galactica security and says she can't believe it but thinks she saw a six foot tall rat scurrying in the halls near her quarters. I would love to see Commander Adama's face when he went to the brig to get him.

[unowhoandwhy]

Originally Posted by antelope526

How about a drunk Tigh stumbling down to Kara Thrace's quarters. She pretends to seduce him and feeds him more booze. Once he is incoherrant she strips him naked, glues a fake 3 foot long tail on his ass and puts a pair of mittens on his hands and then drags his naked body into the hall. She then calls Galactica security and says she can't believe it but thinks she saw a six foot tall rat scurrying in the halls near her quarters. I would love to see Commander Adama's face when he went to the brig to get him.

:laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

You are a sick, sick person antelope526, which makes you A-OK in my book!

[Aeneas]

Moore or no, this guy is NOT Col. Tigh! TERRY CARTER IS THE ONE AND ONLY TIGH!!

[unowhoandwhy]

Originally Posted by Aeneas

Moore or no, this guy is NOT Col. Tigh! TERRY CARTER IS THE ONE AND ONLY TIGH!!

It's a free country and we are all, thank the Lords of Kobol, entitled to our own opinions.

[shiningstar]

Originally Posted by unowhoandwhy

It's a free country and we are all, thank the Lords of Kobol, entitled to our own opinions.

That is so true

Originally Posted by Aeneas

Moore or no, this guy is NOT Col. Tigh! TERRY CARTER IS THE ONE AND ONLY TIGH!!

Just pretend they are different people at different points in time who are in no way related.

I found over 150 Carters listed in the Sacramento phone book. 6 of them with the first name Terry or with only a T listed. I don't think any of them played Colonel Tigh on TOS! I think we can assume that there are probably a few Colonel Tigh's in the Colonial fleet.

Of course maybe if Terry Carter woke up one day and looked in the mirror and saw mini-Tigh looking back at him it might explain the alcohol problem!

[Rowan]

D oesn't it scare you guys to have fellow soldiers who are alcoholics trained to kill and armed working side by side with you? do you feel you can count on them?

[shiningstar]

Originally Posted by Gaelen

D oesn't it scare you guys to have fellow soldiers who are alcoholics trained to kill and armed working side by side with you? do you feel you can count on them?

When I was in the military there were Alcoholics working side by side with me.
If I ever thought my CO didn't see the problem I found out how Wrong I
was ...............when these men and women were drummed out of the Service
because they either would not or could not get theirselves help, and
recklessly endangered innocent lives {not too mention the men and women
who these people served with}.