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August 15th, 2004, 06:38 PM
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Professor Muffit's Word Births!!!
Good morning class!!! Here at the Daggit University of Indiana, or DUI, we will be studying the origins of words and phrases! Don't you all wonder where we get these crazy expressions??? Well, wonder no more!!! Each day I will add one or more replies to this thread with a unique word birth explanation. Feel free to add your own!!!
Today's lesson - "Red Tape". Where the heck did that come from? I have yet to see any tape of the crimson persuasion on my legal docs. Well, it seems that around the turn of the century, government officials and lawyers used to bind their plethora of papers with red ribbons. This became very commonplace. And since that paperwork was the ridiculous overkill of way too much wasted effort just to apply for something simple, any practice of such a kind was soon dubbed, "red tape".
And one more ruby rant to add, the origin of "Red Herring". Ah, well back in the good old 1700's, it was common to cure herring, which gave it a reddish color. The result was a stinky bunch of fish. Criminals on the run often stole these and erased their tracks with them, and the stinky scent threw off any bloodhounds. Eventually, any wasted search became called a "red herring".
There goes the bell!! Don't forget to leave teach' an apple!!!
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August 15th, 2004, 06:59 PM
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Thanks, Professor Muffit.
I am so enlightened, can't wait for tomorrow's class!!!!
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August 15th, 2004, 07:12 PM
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Originally Posted by Muffit
Good morning class!!! Here at the Daggit University of Indiana, or DUI, we will be studying the origins of words and phrases! Don't you all wonder where we get these crazy expressions??? Well, wonder no more!!! Each day I will add one or more replies to this thread with a unique word birth explanation. Feel free to add your own!!!
Today's lesson - "Red Tape". Where the heck did that come from? I have yet to see any tape of the crimson persuasion on my legal docs. Well, it seems that around the turn of the century, government officials and lawyers used to bind their plethora of papers with red ribbons. This became very commonplace. And since that paperwork was the ridiculous overkill of way too much wasted effort just to apply for something simple, any practice of such a kind was soon dubbed, "red tape".
And one more ruby rant to add, the origin of "Red Herring". Ah, well back in the good old 1700's, it was common to cure herring, which gave it a reddish color. The result was a stinky bunch of fish. Criminals on the run often stole these and erased their tracks with them, and the stinky scent threw off any bloodhounds. Eventually, any wasted search became called a "red herring".
There goes the bell!! Don't forget to leave teach' an apple!!!
Prof. Muffit
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Thanks Muffit. I love the posts!
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August 15th, 2004, 07:16 PM
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Thank you my dear muffitt.....
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August 15th, 2004, 10:00 PM
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Here at the Daggit University of Indiana, or DUI
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You can have a degree of DUI? You wouldn't want to get pulled over after driving your car from that school.
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August 16th, 2004, 03:24 AM
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Uh oh Muffit's been let loose again!
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August 16th, 2004, 08:49 PM
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Hi all! And thanks for your kind replies!!!!!!!!! Today's lesson we will learn about birds and where they get their names.
First off, where the heck did "penguin" come from? Well, as it turns out, its name was given by Welsh fisherman, from in their language "pen" meaning "head" and "gwyn" meaning white (hey! I wonder if that's where Gwynevere gets her name?). Actually, they were looking at auks, which aren't really penguins at all. But the name stuck for some reason for Antarctic formal wear and there you go...
Next "pelican". This was actually a mistake. Poor St. Jerome was translating the Bible and thought it was a woodpecker, so he called it pelican (from Greek pelekys or "axe-beak"). Like the American "Indian" we just never bothered to fix it. Pbb...
Mother Goose - she actually existed!!! It seems from 1665-1757 there lived a woman named Elizabeth Foster, who married one Isaac Goose - she inheriting no less than 10 stepchildren, and then bearing 6 more!!! Yikes! 16 kids!!! Talk about the old woman who lived in a shoe!!! Guess you can figure where a lot of her rhymes come from! Her daughter married a famous printer, and the rest is, as we say, history. I wonder if "foster parent" is somehow /related/ to all this (aaarrrggghh)...
Toodles for tonight!!!
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August 16th, 2004, 09:16 PM
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Neato.
Thanks.
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August 16th, 2004, 10:12 PM
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I'd ask where you get all this information but...
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August 17th, 2004, 08:24 AM
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Originally Posted by Muffit
Hi all! And thanks for your kind replies!!!!!!!!! Today's lesson we will learn about birds and where they get their names.
First off, where the heck did "penguin" come from? Well, as it turns out, its name was given by Welsh fisherman, from in their language "pen" meaning "head" and "gwyn" meaning white (hey! I wonder if that's where Gwynevere gets her name?). Actually, they were looking at auks, which aren't really penguins at all. But the name stuck for some reason for Antarctic formal wear and there you go...
Next "pelican". This was actually a mistake. Poor St. Jerome was translating the Bible and thought it was a woodpecker, so he called it pelican (from Greek pelekys or "axe-beak"). Like the American "Indian" we just never bothered to fix it. Pbb...
Mother Goose - she actually existed!!! It seems from 1665-1757 there lived a woman named Elizabeth Foster, who married one Isaac Goose - she inheriting no less than 10 stepchildren, and then bearing 6 more!!! Yikes! 16 kids!!! Talk about the old woman who lived in a shoe!!! Guess you can figure where a lot of her rhymes come from! Her daughter married a famous printer, and the rest is, as we say, history. I wonder if "foster parent" is somehow /related/ to all this (aaarrrggghh)...
Toodles for tonight!!!
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Thanks for the interesting, mindbending tidbits Muffit!
I love it
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August 17th, 2004, 10:59 AM
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Thanks FG Archangel and Shiningstar!! And yes, Archangel, I'm getting these from a book, called Word and Phrase Origins by Robert Hendrickson. It's HUGE. It's got like 100,000 entries, maybe more. I've been dying to get it for years, and finallly found it at Barnes and Noble.
Today's topic, military ranks!!
General - in the old days, the leader of an army was actually called a "captain general", meaning, generally over the whole shebang. Later the captain part was dropped, so we just have generals today, meaning nonspecific, LOL.
Major - another adjective that has strangely become a noun. Originally there were "sergeant majors", or "great" sergeants. Now they are simply majors.
Colonel - this was actually a mistake. The head of a column, spelled "colonne" in French, was a "colonel". But the Spanish messed it up and called it "coronel". Despite numerous attempts to get people to pronounce it right, they finally gave up cuz people are just plain fickle. Hence you will hear LeBeau on Hogan's Heroes say "co-lo-nel" while most Americans say "kernel".
Lieutenant - this one actually makes sense. In French it is two words, "lieu" or place, and "tenant", or holding. So a lieutenant was someone temporarily holding the place of a captain.
Corporal - no one is quite sure, but probably it is from the Italian "corporale", or body of men.
Sergeant - this one is pretty odd, you don't pronounce it anythin like it's spelled. They think it came from "servente" or servant of the King. It was mispronounced "sergente" and hence our weird name today.
Captain - humorously enough, the latin word for "head of a body" was "caput", from which we get captain today. In German "kaput" means washed up, LOL. Similar to the military acronym CINCUS which the Navy quickly dropped because of it's homonym entreaty for the enemy to destroy their ships, LOL.
Field Marshal - this is an old one, coming from the old Medieval "mareschal", which was a blacksmith or tarrier. Since the horse-shoer of the King quickly rose to a great deal of importance, so did a marsschal, or marshal.
Private - comes from the Latin word "privus", which originally meant an individual person, and later, an individual devoid of rank.
Petty Officer - this can be traced back to the French "petit" meaning "small or minor". Hence our word petty.
Admiral - Admiral comes from the Arabic term amir-al-bahr meaning commander of the seas. Crusaders carried the word back with them around 1000 AD.
And there you have it folks!!! Trivia for the day!!!!!!!!!!!
Professor Muffit, doting daggit of DUI
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August 17th, 2004, 12:19 PM
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uh oh! Hide the books, Muffit's been reading again!
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August 17th, 2004, 12:24 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Muffit
Thanks FG Archangel and Shiningstar!! And yes, Archangel, I'm getting these from a book, called Word and Phrase Origins by Robert Hendrickson. It's HUGE. It's got like 100,000 entries, maybe more. I've been dying to get it for years, and finallly found it at Barnes and Noble.
Today's topic, military ranks!!
General - in the old days, the leader of an army was actually called a "captain general", meaning, generally over the whole shebang. Later the captain part was dropped, so we just have generals today, meaning nonspecific, LOL.
Major - another adjective that has strangely become a noun. Originally there were "sergeant majors", or "great" sergeants. Now they are simply majors.
Colonel - this was actually a mistake. The head of a column, spelled "colonne" in French, was a "colonel". But the Spanish messed it up and called it "coronel". Despite numerous attempts to get people to pronounce it right, they finally gave up cuz people are just plain fickle. Hence you will hear LeBeau on Hogan's Heroes say "co-lo-nel" while most Americans say "kernel".
Lieutenant - this one actually makes sense. In French it is two words, "lieu" or place, and "tenant", or holding. So a lieutenant was someone temporarily holding the place of a captain.
Corporal - no one is quite sure, but probably it is from the Italian "corporale", or body of men.
Sergeant - this one is pretty odd, you don't pronounce it anythin like it's spelled. They think it came from "servente" or servant of the King. It was mispronounced "sergente" and hence our weird name today.
Captain - humorously enough, the latin word for "head of a body" was "caput", from which we get captain today. In German "kaput" means washed up, LOL. Similar to the military acronym CINCUS which the Navy quickly dropped because of it's homonym entreaty for the enemy to destroy their ships, LOL.
Field Marshal - this is an old one, coming from the old Medieval "mareschal", which was a blacksmith or tarrier. Since the horse-shoer of the King quickly rose to a great deal of importance, so did a marsschal, or marshal.
Private - comes from the Latin word "privus", which originally meant an individual person, and later, an individual devoid of rank.
Petty Officer - this can be traced back to the French "petit" meaning "small or minor". Hence our word petty.
Admiral - Admiral comes from the Arabic term amir-al-bahr meaning commander of the seas. Crusaders carried the word back with them around 1000 AD.
And there you have it folks!!! Trivia for the day!!!!!!!!!!!
Professor Muffit, doting daggit of DUI
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Thanks for the INFO Muffit
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August 17th, 2004, 12:25 PM
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August 17th, 2004, 12:29 PM
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Muff Daggy
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uh oh! Hide the books, Muffit's been reading again!
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ROTFL! :laugh:
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August 17th, 2004, 12:39 PM
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Come to think of it You should probably hide the dictionary too! Never know when that daggit is going to use those big words!
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August 17th, 2004, 12:41 PM
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I thought I knew some weird stuff, but compared to Muffit and Senmut, I'm nothing more than a rank amateur
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August 17th, 2004, 06:37 PM
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Ok, so now I wnat an explanation for why the British pronounce "Lieutenant" as lef-tennant
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August 17th, 2004, 06:41 PM
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Not just the British, America is pretty unique in that area
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August 17th, 2004, 07:10 PM
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Ok, so now I wnat an explanation for why the British pronounce "Lieutenant" as lef-tennant
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ME TOO!!!!!!!
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August 17th, 2004, 07:11 PM
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Not just the British, America is pretty unique in that area
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In truth .......I haven't seen that Archangel ........
But given the different dialects from TX to BOSTON I wouldn't be surprised
if it's been happening
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August 17th, 2004, 07:12 PM
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I thought I knew some weird stuff, but compared to Muffit and Senmut, I'm nothing more than a rank amateur
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((((((((((((ARCHANGEL))))))))))))))))))))
We're ALL Rank amatuers next to MUFFIT
Don't take it so hard
You're good at making me laugh that counts for alot
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August 17th, 2004, 08:02 PM
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In truth .......I haven't seen that Archangel ........
But given the different dialects from TX to BOSTON I wouldn't be surprised
if it's been happening
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What I meant was that in the English-speaking world, Leftenant is the norm for pronouncing that rank. Lootenant is pretty much an American idiosyncracy.
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August 18th, 2004, 09:33 PM
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Hey....where's Muffit's Tuesday post?
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August 18th, 2004, 09:35 PM
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And today's (Wednesday)
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August 18th, 2004, 11:25 PM
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Hi all! Sorry FG, I was watching The Black Hole with my family - we just LOVE that music!!!
Okay, here's some for today...
Influenza - this word was first used back in 1743 when an outbreak of a "contagious distemper" afflicted Rome. It was believed back then that pestilence outbreaks were caused, or "influenced" by the stars. The word influenza is the English-ization of the Italian word.
Jukebox - originally, the islands off Carolina Georgia and Florida were home to a number of West Africans. Their anglicized word "jook" comes from their Gullah word "dzug" which meant to live a wild and wooly life. In the Americas, brothels were called jooks or "jukes" as a result. They had the first coin operated music boxes, so the name stuck even after the machines were put into less, shall we say, supine accommodations.
Stay tuned tomorrow for more trips down morpheme lane!!!
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August 19th, 2004, 12:42 AM
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Ok, so now I wnat an explanation for why the British pronounce "Lieutenant" as lef-tennant
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well hope you dont mind but here is a brief explaination for you:
"A lieutentant acted in place of his immediate supervisor. This word dates back to the 14th century, when it entered English from French lieutenant, which was formed from lieu "place" and tenant "a holding" (whence English tenant). Lieu came to French (and also English, in the 13th century, within in lieu of) via Latin locus "place". Lieutenant was sometimes spelled with an f as far back as the 14th century, indicating that the British pronunciation is quite old. It is thought that such pronunciation was influenced by the word leave, perhaps as a lieutenant's superior had to leave before the lieutenant could serve his purpose. Some cognates are lieu, local, and tenant."
"Where did “lef” come from? No one knows for sure. The 1998 New Oxford Dictionary of English speculates that the “f” sound emerged at some point before the 19th century – probably when the “u” at the end of the Old French word lieu was misread and pronounced as a “v.” Over the years, the “v” sound eventually became an “f,” even though the original spelling was maintained."
It was recorded as "leeftenaunt" in 1387, but is reported in the late 1700's as "lef" being more popular, but "loo" being correct.
However meanwhile at reality HQ it has shown that nowadays they are mostly ex public school boys, wet behind the ears who realy do need the education of life before education of their surrounding peers.
hope that enlightens??
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August 19th, 2004, 10:59 PM
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Thursday's Lesson!!!
Atom: This comes to us from the Greek "atomos", which means indivisible, or cannot be divided anymore. (Unfortunately, we have since discovered may sub-atomic particles, yet we still call the parent, an atom).
And our bonus word, don't you ever wonder where we get the "Galactica" part of Battlestar Galactica? The root word, "galaxy" comes from the Greek word "galaxis", which means, incredulously, "circle of milk". No doubt stemming from the same source as our expression "the Milky Way".
Howsomever, that leaves us with a rather embarassing definition for our favorite show - somehow Battlestar Lactose-Free doesn't ring quite so ominously, LOL!!!
Hey!!! Maybe we should commandeer that big buzz expression, "Got Milk???" ROTFL!!!
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August 19th, 2004, 11:27 PM
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Does that come with or without corn flakes???
Educational as always, muffit
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August 21st, 2004, 08:49 PM
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Would it be all right if i were to share these with some friends on another board?
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