Battlestar Galactica Movie News

[Senmut]

You must admit, Iblis is a hell of a character!

[PaulGTweed]

Originally Posted by 137th Gebirg

^^^ It might indeed be a more uplifting path for BSG to take.

As light-hearted as TOS BSG was compared to NuBSG, having the entirety of the human race experience a "holocaust" of any kind is rather heavy material, in either version. I think many people may be getting fatigued with "darkness" and "grittiness" in their shows. I know I am to an extent.

Perhaps they should take it in a completely different direction after briefly retelling the original story and not dwelling on it as much, or rather, more deeply exploring the profound implications of the "grand plan" that the Beings of Light have set humanity on, and the efforts of Count Iblis to undermine it while executing a "grand plan" of his own for the Cylons. TOS never got the opportunity to explore the rich tapestry that was quietly being woven into the fabric of the plot for various reasons. I think it is now time to do just that!

This plot I like! It gives the producers a chance to bring in new characters and new plot twists instead of rehashing what has already been done. I nominate Alan Rickman for Count Iblis!

[PaulGTweed]

Originally Posted by PaulGTweed

This plot I like! It gives the producers a chance to bring in new characters and new plot twists instead of rehashing what has already been done. I nominate Alan Rickman for Count Iblis!

I also nominate Benedict Cumberbatch for Count Iblis or the Cylon Imperious Leader.

[gmd3d]

Originally Posted by PaulGTweed

I also nominate Benedict Cumberbatch for Count Iblis or the Cylon Imperious Leader.

No thanks..

Rickman would be a better choice.
or Anthony Head

[peter noble]

Frank Langella as Baltar.

[borjis]

Originally Posted by peter noble

frank langella as baltar.

yes!

[gmd3d]

Originally Posted by peter noble

Frank Langella as Baltar.

oh yes.. good choice

[Dawg]

Originally Posted by peter noble

Frank Langella as Baltar.

Originally Posted by borjis

yes!

Originally Posted by Taranis

oh yes.. good choice

Just a moment. I have it:

Rickman (who can foam at the mouth with the best of them) as Baltar.

Langella (elder statesman, solid, but who can just ooze charm and menace) as Iblis.

I am
Dawg

[PaulGTweed]

Robert Downey,Jr. would make a good Baltar. If he isn't doing an Iron Man or Avengers movie.

[Senmut]

Is Cancer Man from XFiles still around? He'd be good.

[137th Gebirg]

I think so - I recall seeing him in something a couple years ago. For the life of me, I can't remember what, but he was playing a bit-role in something and I recognized him immediately. So yes, he should be available.

[PaulGTweed]

It appears the Galactica movie isn't a done deal. Larson and Universal are still in negotiating contract royalties owed to Larson. Glen A Larson's son Chris Larson maybe directing a project for Universal.

[gmd3d]

At this point I have stopped caring if its made or not..

[Senmut]

"Negotions". Lawyer-speak for not doing anything of substance, and letting time play out.

[MarkTheSaint]

Well, there are videos on You-tube that are being made by fans that are
sparking imaginations for more videos. What happens if someone posts a video
that becomes viral and that someone decides to turn it into an actual series
or big-screen movie? The original owners or the movie and TV series may try to
employ legal action but they are losing clout with the fans if they do not do
something to satisfy their demands. There is one a video where the Enterprise
D encounters battlestar wreckage and then brings in the whole Federation
fleet on a rescue mission to fight off the Cylons and bring back the colonial
fleet to a Federation star base. I found the video something to relate to very
easily. There is a body of imagination out there that needs a direction to focus
its amazing story telling resources and the original owners of this franchise
are going to lose control of it very quickly if they do not make use of what is
out there. Those lawyers better get aware of this as soon as possible or else
they will not have much to negotiate about at all.

[Lara]

Fan stuff has no legal status. Lawyers don't worry about it staking claim as it has none. Try to say a studio nicked your idea and you will get reminded its not legally yours to play with in the first place :-)
Some franchise owners (especially original concept writers) forbid it, others tolerate it, just a few encourage it.
A notable few fan writers have gone mainstream, or lived the dream of co-writing with their idol author, but that's the exception.

None of the owners I've ever spoken to want you to discuss you ideas with them because of potential 'contamination' and the ill will it causes if there is a coincidence

BSG was fertile ground from the start because of its big themes. There was reams of fanfic before the first series had even finished and after G80 it just exploded as fans looked to
a) continue the story to ease their frustration
b) use the new fangled internet thingo for message boards and instant sharing instead of newsletters and printed zines :-)

Artwork was always part of it, fanfilms and animations a natural extension as the tools became available to gifted amateurs.

Poppa Larson will be arguing for more money, not because he has any affection or any passion for the property. Ditto with Universal.

[PaulGTweed]

Originally Posted by Lara

Fan stuff has no legal status. Lawyers don't worry about it staking claim as it has none. Try to say a studio nicked your idea and you will get reminded its not legally yours to play with in the first place :-)
Some franchise owners (especially original concept writers) forbid it, others tolerate it, just a few encourage it.
A notable few fan writers have gone mainstream, or lived the dream of co-writing with their idol author, but that's the exception.

None of the owners I've ever spoken to want you to discuss you ideas with them because of potential 'contamination' and the ill will it causes if there is a coincidence

BSG was fertile ground from the start because of its big themes. There was reams of fanfic before the first series had even finished and after G80 it just exploded as fans looked to
a) continue the story to ease their frustration
b) use the new fangled internet thingo for message boards and instant sharing instead of newsletters and printed zines :-)

Artwork was always part of it, fanfilms and animations a natural extension as the tools became available to gifted amateurs.

Poppa Larson will be arguing for more money, not because he has any affection or any passion for the property. Ditto with Universal.

Lara, you left out the various Writer's Guilds, Director's, Screen Actor's Guilds, etc.. If you are not a member of the Guild with a qualifying Agent is the reason no one in or from Hollywood will look at anyone's scripts, stories, plot ideas.

[PaulGTweed]

Originally Posted by MarkTheSaint

Well, there are videos on You-tube that are being made by fans that are
sparking imaginations for more videos. What happens if someone posts a video
that becomes viral and that someone decides to turn it into an actual series
or big-screen movie? The original owners or the movie and TV series may try to
employ legal action but they are losing clout with the fans if they do not do
something to satisfy their demands. There is one a video where the Enterprise
D encounters battlestar wreckage and then brings in the whole Federation
fleet on a rescue mission to fight off the Cylons and bring back the colonial
fleet to a Federation star base. I found the video something to relate to very
easily. There is a body of imagination out there that needs a direction to focus
its amazing story telling resources and the original owners of this franchise
are going to lose control of it very quickly if they do not make use of what is
out there. Those lawyers better get aware of this as soon as possible or else
they will not have much to negotiate about at all.

MarktheSaint, you make a good point. If there was no Star Trek: New Voyages/Phase 2 we would not have seen J J Abrams Star Trek reboot. (Which might have been not bad to happen.) During the Re-Imagined BSG run. Sci-Fi Channel and Ron Moore had a BSG Fanfilm contest.

[Darrell Lawrence]

Fan stuff vs Hollywood stuff- First, lemme correct a little something here:

Lara, you left out the various Writer's Guilds, Director's, Screen Actor's Guilds, etc.. If you are not a member of the Guild with a qualifying Agent is the reason no one in or from Hollywood will look at anyone's scripts, stories, plot ideas.

This isn't quite true. Star Trek TNG did have fan submission for stories that they bought and ended up producing into episodes. The most well known person to me to have gained "fame" going that route is one Dennis Baily. Many who were a part of the 3DG days will know who I am talking about.

Anyways... Many fan endeavors are getting longer in length and better in quality. The typical viewing fan doesn't care where the source came from, whether it is fan made or Hollywood made, they want good stories, acting and FX. Hollywood is in danger of losing out to fan created material because the fan created material will be offered for FREE viewing right here on the internet.

The various Star Trek projects out there by fans is what is really keeping Star Trek off the television screen right now. Hollywood doesn't want to pay an enormous amount for something of which its quality is no better than a cheaply made fan project. Certainly Hollywood could go after them for copyright infringement, etc, but guess what? That'd be a huge losing battle for Hollywood. Fans will create, no matter what. Hollywood can't stop them. So long as the fans do not try to make a profit off said projects, they are pretty much untouchable. In addition, the work put into these projects by fans showcases their work so that some Hollywood studios DO hire them for whatever. Case in point is a guy right here at CF that is nothing but a huge fan boy, but his modeling skills were showcased through his various works, and he got hired to work on a certain mini series. I won't name him, cuz his ego is too big as it is (plus he's a Vikings fan.... UGH!) and his head swells up bigger than Jupiter when he gets praise (I am joking, of course. Don is one of the best people on this planet).

[PaulGTweed]

Originally Posted by Darrell Lawrence

Fan stuff vs Hollywood stuff- First, lemme correct a little something here:
This isn't quite true. Star Trek TNG did have fan submission for stories that they bought and ended up producing into episodes. The most well known person to me to have gained "fame" going that route is one Dennis Baily. Many who were a part of the 3DG days will know who I am talking about.

Anyways... Many fan endeavors are getting longer in length and better in quality. The typical viewing fan doesn't care where the source came from, whether it is fan made or Hollywood made, they want good stories, acting and FX. Hollywood is in danger of losing out to fan created material because the fan created material will be offered for FREE viewing right here on the internet.

The various Star Trek projects out there by fans is what is really keeping Star Trek off the television screen right now. Hollywood doesn't want to pay an enormous amount for something of which its quality is no better than a cheaply made fan project. Certainly Hollywood could go after them for copyright infringement, etc, but guess what? That'd be a huge losing battle for Hollywood. Fans will create, no matter what. Hollywood can't stop them. So long as the fans do not try to make a profit off said projects, they are pretty much untouchable. In addition, the work put into these projects by fans showcases their work so that some Hollywood studios DO hire them for whatever. Case in point is a guy right here at CF that is nothing but a huge fan boy, but his modeling skills were showcased through his various works, and he got hired to work on a certain mini series. I won't name him, cuz his ego is too big as it is (plus he's a Vikings fan.... UGH!) and his head swells up bigger than Jupiter when he gets praise (I am joking, of course. Don is one of the best people on this planet).

That is the Exception. Not the rule.

[ernie90125]

Originally Posted by Lara

Fan stuff has no legal status. Lawyers don't worry about it staking claim as it has none. Try to say a studio nicked your idea and you will get reminded its not legally yours to play with in the first place :-)
Some franchise owners (especially original concept writers) forbid it, others tolerate it, just a few encourage it.
A notable few fan writers have gone mainstream, or lived the dream of co-writing with their idol author, but that's the exception.

None of the owners I've ever spoken to want you to discuss you ideas with them because of potential 'contamination' and the ill will it causes if there is a coincidence

BSG was fertile ground from the start because of its big themes. There was reams of fanfic before the first series had even finished and after G80 it just exploded as fans looked to
a) continue the story to ease their frustration
b) use the new fangled internet thingo for message boards and instant sharing instead of newsletters and printed zines :-)

Artwork was always part of it, fanfilms and animations a natural extension as the tools became available to gifted amateurs.

Poppa Larson will be arguing for more money, not because he has any affection or any passion for the property. Ditto with Universal.

I agree with everything Lara has said and although there are exceptions to the rule, there is a perceived gulf between the superfans and the professionals.

It is possible to cross that divide (most of the people working on Dr Who were superfans, including Stephen Moffat) and Kickstarter campaigns for professional led fanfilms demonstrate that, but nevertheless "The Powers That Be" see the gulf.

That's why it's very important for credibility to be foremost, which (for example) I think the Colonial Fan Force achieved when it advertised in an industry magazine (Daily Variety). If fans of a show are ever to reach out to executives, it has to be done on the executives' ground, not the fans' ground, or even common ground.

[ernie90125]

This is the most recent update that I could find on Larson vs Universal:

https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/thr...iversal-356300

[Senmut]

Therefore, the party of the first part, hereafter referred to as the party of the first part, pursuant to litigation filed against the party of the first part by the party of the second part, hereafter to be referred to as the party of the second part, in the above entitled action, hereafter referred to as the above entitled action, regarding the television productions at Universal Studios, hereafter referred to as the television productions at Universal Studios, shall, in compliance with the previous court ruling, number 4598354718947645762378-U, hereafter referred to as previous court ruling, number 4598354718947645762378-U, shall now, and without prevaricative circumlocution, circumlocutive prevarication, or any permutation of the above, uhh...
Ahhh Hades Hole, where the frack were we, Glen?

[MarkTheSaint]

Larson and Universal may not like this but I do think the internet is going to
be the "jackal that steals the kill" while they fight over this like a lion and a
leopard fight over a killed gazelle. I myself have a fan story I have been
working on for 32 years that in the right hands can make any small
production company into another Lucasfilm. A highlight description of it is
having the colonial fleet meet a ship of exiles from Earth that was heading for
a place to start over and then the Cylons attack when both parties deal with
broken hearts and dreams. To escape the attack the fleet heads into a
nebula cloud where visibility is extremely poor and loses the Cylon pursuers.
After a few years of wandering in the cloud a preacher in the Earth Party
tells the admiral to stop the fleet or else face destruction. Stepping out on
faith, the admiral stops the fleet and then sees the cloud material blow away
as a supernova blast blows around the fleet and clears the space. Then
scanners pick up a huge cluster of stars with habitable planets and the fleet
heads toward it as the cluster had opened its arms and was saying "Give me
your tired, your poor, your huddled masses yearning to breath free . . ." as
the poem goes. The fleet quickly settles down and the population begins to
multiply. Then some people got the idea to rebuild the fleet and faced
opposition initially before getting the effort under way. The Galactica is
then brought into a newly-built orbiting shipyard and was rebuilt using
titanium that was found to be abundant in the cluster. Then in a repeat of
the "leaving drydock" scene in Star Trek, the Galactica pulls out and the crew
begins training exercises as construction of more battlestars begin. Then
discussions began on how to defeat the Cylons when "Asymmetric Warfare"
came up where the colonials do terrorist warfare to "Bermuda Triangle" the
Cylon supply fleets to get more material and get intelligence. When the fleet
gets big enough the President does the "FDR Pearl Harber Speech" as the
next phase of the war of taking on the Cylons head on begins. I also had the
colonials build gunstars that are ships that are 5000' long had having 8 gun
turrets, 4 on top and 4 on the bottom of the ship, with each gun turret
having 3 electromagnetic rail guns (aka: mass drivers) with each gun having
a bore diameter of 1000 inches. The shells the guns fire can weigh 100 tons
each and can be one of three types. One type is to have enough mass to
knock out the shield generators of the Cylon basestars, another type is to
explode inside the basestars to destroy them from the inside out. The third
type is when Cylon raiders come in swarms that number in the millions the
shell type is designed to explode into 100,000 1-pound fragments that
create a cone of death like a shotgun blast to damage, disable or even
destroy the Cylon attackers. Using the new ship types and ships made leaner
and meaner from titanium, the colonials claw their way back using raw
courage and determination and finally defeat the Cylons on their own home
world. From then on it is exploring the galaxy, meeting new characters and
dealing with new enemies like one that is a cross between the Borg and the
Independence Day aliens, making the Cylons look like school project robots.
One of the colonial characters takes vacations on a planet he called
"Middle Earth" since it looked like J.R.R. Tolkien had actually visited the
planet when he wrote his stories. That same character had said he is going
to make evil wish it never messed with him. If you find this story offensive
then you have my apologies but I had used story to deal with and overcome
abuses that I had suffered in parts of my life. If you find this story to have
something worth working on then I can supply more details when asked. I
think stories like this that are incubating on the internet could cause big
production companies to fall and small ones to rise up to greatness. There
is a danger of major media companies buying up production companies and
then only produce shows and movies that lack imagination or new material
to stimulate viewers so they go back to the internet to get the stimulation
they want.

[Gemini1999]

Originally Posted by ernie90125

This is the most recent update that I could find on Larson vs Universal:

https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/thr...iversal-356300

That was more than 2 years ago... The most recent thing I could find is this (which is ove a year old):

https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/thr...creator-438617

[Darrell Lawrence]

Originally Posted by PaulGTweed

That is the Exception. Not the rule.

Exceptions make it not quite true, which is what I said.

[ernie90125]

Originally Posted by Gemini1999

That was more than 2 years ago... The most recent thing I could find is this (which is ove a year old):

https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/thr...creator-438617

Sorry, I had them both open and posted the earlier link by mistake.

I have emailed the journalist who promptly came back saying the case is due to go to court next month...if it's not delayed again!

[Senmut]

Can we get Sire Solon?

[martok2112]

Ronald D Moore, as a fan of Star Trek, had submitted the story for The Defector for TNG...and then he became a pro-writer for ST:TNG and DS9, (also producer and line producer for those shows) as well as cowriting the screenplays for Generations and First Contact. Not too shabby for a "fan".

[cobrastrikelead]

Hope Springs eternal in the Heart of the Colonial. Thanks for keeping up the good fight, and keeping this majestic tale rumbling along. The grogs not bad either