Yet Another TOS Battlestar WIP - Page 11

ZAP · January 13th, 2014, 11:31 AM

hi , i am looking for the basic shape only , not the greebles parts , and could be in any 3d file format

thanks in advance

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Originally Posted by Taranis

It would depend on the format your looking for..

there are some Galactica models, most to be found here..
David Kerin, Steve Wilson . these where great in there day
given the information available

This model as built would be a gut buster for any but the highest performance
PC I think as it very highly detailed as you have seen..

There is another one by Folkrm but that is not publicity available

Matador · January 13th, 2014, 09:27 PM

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Originally Posted by ZAP

hi , i am looking for the basic shape only , not the greebles parts , and could be in any 3d file format

thanks in advance

Zap, I would check the download section of this site. It has a few Galactica meshes that you could download.

ZAP · January 14th, 2014, 08:45 AM

hi Matador , thanks for the feedback , already download , the problem is that those 3d meshes are personal views , and personal perspectives , they are incredible and very talented work , but i am looking for a 3d mesh more close to the studio scale model , like i think is in this thread and like the work from Folkrm

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Originally Posted by Matador

Zap, I would check the download section of this site. It has a few Galactica meshes that you could download.

gmd3d · January 14th, 2014, 08:58 AM

Alas nether mesh is publicly available

Matador · January 14th, 2014, 08:58 PM

The Galactica base mesh is pretty simple to create... If you have your own 3d program... You can download blueprints of the basic body, then create the mesh, and then build on to it from there.

Titon · January 15th, 2014, 03:53 AM

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Originally Posted by Matador

The Galactica base mesh is pretty simple to create... If you have your own 3d program... You can download blueprints of the basic body, then create the mesh, and then build on to it from there.

Sorry to say this but the Galactica is one of the hardest meshes to ever create. Simply looking at a blueprint is not going to get you a studio scale cgi replica. Believe me it has taken years but it can be done with ton's and ton's of research.

137th Gebirg · January 15th, 2014, 06:56 AM

Agreed, I never made the CG model, myself, but I'm as intimately familiar with the design in 2 dimensions as any who has made the attempt in 3 dimensions and I can safely say, with all the greebles and super-detailing they put on the thing, "simple" is never a word that should be ascribed to any Galactica model, in CG or reality. And judging by the miniscule amount of meshes that I would consider being even close to accurate and true to the original, the base geometry of the ship, sans detailing, also seems less-than-simple.

Based on what I've seen, Titon and maudib are the only ones who have gotten it right, straight up. There is another one, by someone named folkrm on another site which comes close, but is still a bit off in several respects. Other than that...nadda...all due respect to the efforts of those other folks.

Which quite honestly astonishes me, considering how many super-accurate studio-scale models there are out there which are true to the original. One would think that, in CG, it would be easier to flex and adjust something on the fly, rather than the static nature of resin, styrene and glue. And yet...

Matador · January 15th, 2014, 03:14 PM

I was referring to the Gator body style. Modeling all the other detail, I agree is not an easy task.

I have spent over a year building my version and she still isn't done. But yes, modeling the ship is not easy other than building the basic body shape.

I used blueprints to get the basic body shape. All the other greebles I got using references from both old and new series.

I figured, that was what zap was referring to.

maudib · January 19th, 2014, 06:34 PM

Wow... people still posting on this VERY OLD thread. Good to see TOS BSG still alive! It's been awhile since my last post, but this is a long-term project as I've said from the beginning. A bit rusty with Lightwave

New 1-19-14 Update today!

Continuing to add greebles to the engine section top. About 6 big greebles to finish before moving on to the exhaust port section next.

The big square hole in the center greeble has got me baffled. Someone broke off a mystery piece from the studio scale original! What the heck

I see different versions of pieces in people's version of the original studio scale model, but can someone tell me if the original parts broken off has been saved? I can model in the missing greebles once I know what it looks like.

Long ways to go, but at least the 2 ends are coming along nicely. Cheers!

Matador · January 19th, 2014, 06:43 PM

As always... very impressive.... Amazing work in the detail.

gmd3d · January 20th, 2014, 03:29 AM

sweet.... how big a monster is this in polys

martok2112 · January 20th, 2014, 05:35 AM

mauddib, that is going to be a monstrous ship when you're done with her.

As to that image with the missing piece, from what I can tell, it looks like you ought to just mirror image from the intact side, and you'll have the whole piece.

maudib · January 20th, 2014, 02:18 PM

There are various re-creations of the original studio model showing a new greeble added to the spot where the missing original piece (if any) was located.

My problem is, if the original piece was not saved when the model was took out of storage and sold with the model, then how do we know if ANY version is 100% accurate at all? If this is the case, then I agree with Martok2112 and just ignore the area and leave it alone and move on.

Poly count? Don't know. Still targeting 20 million polys as the final size, last count was 9.2 million.

gmd3d · January 20th, 2014, 02:28 PM

I would love to see the basic shape you created without all the detail in profile, TOP , SIDE, BOTTOM, FRONT, BACK.. sometime in the future..

Senmut · January 20th, 2014, 05:54 PM

Looks vulnerable. Wouldn't the Cylons target such spots during an attack?

maudib · January 20th, 2014, 06:48 PM

I don't know why you would want such views Taranis, but here they are. Not orthographic projections though, just same renders without the greebles. The hull plating is permanent on the front, can't be separated from the basic hull shape.

This was the most reliable top view schematic I could find ( I think it was from the Starship Modelers website). The black line is my mesh superimposed over the plan to check my accuracy.

These are my renders of the basic shape

https://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/14...0/690/e5ov.jpg
https://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/14...0/713/s4kw.jpg
https://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/14...0/853/cnzl.jpg
https://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/14...0/853/qozz.jpg
https://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/14...0/534/5fc2.jpg

gmd3d · January 21st, 2014, 02:16 AM

thanks these are great.. and very helpful for when I have a go at building my own version in the future.

maudib · January 21st, 2014, 06:49 PM

update 1-21-14

Modeled these big rocket engine bells. The grills on the front are not on the original. Complex shape took all afternoon, but was fun doing it.

tracyhaynes · January 21st, 2014, 08:55 PM

maudib, this is stunning, and I am just one of several
3d modeling yahoos who wait with baited breath for you to complete this
lovely! Hats off to you

gmd3d · January 22nd, 2014, 06:21 AM

afternoon. it would take me a week or more

ZAP · January 27th, 2014, 12:41 PM

hi Maudib finally

i was hoping to see you here , since i was the one who started to ask for help here in this thread

your work is amazing , is it possible for you to share the basic mesh , only the structure without the greebles ?

if you cannot share ( that is understood ) can you make some cross sections and 3 longitudinal profiles along the dock arms and in the middle of the ship ?

thanks in advance

maudib · February 1st, 2014, 06:41 PM

Update 2-1-14

Started on the main engine exhaust section.

No good pics of the inside walls of the exhaust ports. All of the details are lost in shadow, or blurry. I'm just going to have to do some creative guessing (actually a lot of guessing on this model). To the south...quick march!

maudib · February 2nd, 2014, 08:00 PM

update 2-2-14

Made the endcap piece today. Took a good guess at all the bits and added some I thought would look nice.

gmd3d · February 3rd, 2014, 01:22 AM

again stunning detailing

Matador · February 3rd, 2014, 10:05 PM

Nice guess work... Looks like it belongs there to me! Nicely done.

This is a section I plan on tackling next myself...

maudib · February 5th, 2014, 06:12 PM

Update 2-5-14

Almost done with this area. Just the center cap (where the pipe hole cover used to be that supports the model for camera work) area left to complete.

Yes. Most of it is simplified. The amount of rubbish the original has glued on to it is unbelievable. Some of it is embarrassingly ridiculous. Good luck Matador, maybe you have more tolerance for pointless junk glued on to your model than I do!

Senmut · February 5th, 2014, 08:10 PM

Wow!
When can I get one?????

Matador · February 5th, 2014, 10:01 PM

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Originally Posted by maudib

Good luck Matador, maybe you have more tolerance for pointless junk glued on to your model than I do!

Awesome job on placement of the Greebles... You really know how to place things. I envy that. I have a love/hate relation doing it, but it must be done in order to get that right look.

I put a lot of thought into where I'm going to put things... I'm always finding spots that I feel "needs something". Like James Camron says "everthing must have a purpose". So it's all strategic... It doesn't really just flow out.

That is the most time consuming part for me. Honestly I use a lot of your design as reference... Without coping yours directly... I try to give my Galacitica a bit of originality. That is why my Galactica is soooo different.

But I will be honest... I'm probably going to use your idea for the inside of the engines... Your work is amazing. I love to look at your Galactica and admire the art work that it is.

My deal is I want to start filming right away, but in the back of my head, I feel I would just be cheating.

I'm just glad I switched to Lightwave... The modeling tools have really helped me get a bit more creative.

Punisher454 · February 6th, 2014, 12:30 AM

Do you plan to add the celestial dome? It feels a bit ridiculous to say anything about MORE details, but I just couldn't help myself.
Seriously, when I saw what you had done with the bow of the ship I thought to myself, this is so incredibly detailed he may just burn out before he gets half way done. The engine section just blows me away. its great to see you making great progress on this.
This is the single most incredible 3d model I have ever seen, period.

Marvin

Titon · February 6th, 2014, 11:11 AM

The celestial dome actually was added to the neck of the ship on the studio filming model. Kind of funny especially when it was supposed to be above the engine section.